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	<title>Comments on: State plans on &#8216;thumping&#8217; roads to find storage space for carbon dioxide</title>
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		<title>By: jimw</title>
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		<description>from a thread on the dvslist:

If we’d only put that much energy into reducing our usage!
from Robin Hoy
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/state/s_627227.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/state/s_627227.html&lt;/a&gt;

This is called &#039;Vibroseis&#039; - it&#039;s also used as the first step in oil exploration....

Then Larry said:
Has anyone done an environmental impact study on this? Or is this benign?

I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not a critter that lives near where this is going on.

Then Jerry replied:
Larry is gentle. This is absolutely absurd. Carbon sequestration is not a solution to anything, its completely unproven, but most importantly begins in absolutely the wrong place, by assuming we can use up the world and throw the waste away. The people who come up with these schemes are psychotic, in the sense that they are completely out of touch with reality. Like any scheme which purports to solve our problems by using more energy and increasing the complexity of our system, it only hastens and makes more efficient the complete destruction and degradation of the systems which the community of life on this planet has developed to allow its sustenance.

Environmental impact studies miss the point, because they attempt to separate any action from its context, most importantly its energy context. When we use more energy to mitigate the impact on the environment at one geographical point, or in relationship to one narrow aspect of depletion/degradation, we are simply displacing the destruction.

Then Ralph said:
let&#039;s thump the skull of the person who thought up this idea.  there&#039;s obviously enough empty space in it for storing lots of co2.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from a thread on the dvslist:</p>
<p>If we’d only put that much energy into reducing our usage!<br />
from Robin Hoy<br />
<a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/state/s_627227.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/state/s_627227.html</a></p>
<p>This is called &#8216;Vibroseis&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s also used as the first step in oil exploration&#8230;.</p>
<p>Then Larry said:<br />
Has anyone done an environmental impact study on this? Or is this benign?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not a critter that lives near where this is going on.</p>
<p>Then Jerry replied:<br />
Larry is gentle. This is absolutely absurd. Carbon sequestration is not a solution to anything, its completely unproven, but most importantly begins in absolutely the wrong place, by assuming we can use up the world and throw the waste away. The people who come up with these schemes are psychotic, in the sense that they are completely out of touch with reality. Like any scheme which purports to solve our problems by using more energy and increasing the complexity of our system, it only hastens and makes more efficient the complete destruction and degradation of the systems which the community of life on this planet has developed to allow its sustenance.</p>
<p>Environmental impact studies miss the point, because they attempt to separate any action from its context, most importantly its energy context. When we use more energy to mitigate the impact on the environment at one geographical point, or in relationship to one narrow aspect of depletion/degradation, we are simply displacing the destruction.</p>
<p>Then Ralph said:<br />
let&#8217;s thump the skull of the person who thought up this idea.  there&#8217;s obviously enough empty space in it for storing lots of co2.</p>
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